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Initial observations on Cobb AccessPort for FK8 Civic Type R

1/2/2024

 
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Four score and seven years ago (jk, it was really only a little over a decade ago), Cobb Tuning set out to enter the Honda tuning market with flash support for the popular 8thGen Civic Si.

If you're too young to remember Cobb's early foray into Honda flashing (I'm looking at you, Generation-Z-aged enthusiasts), you're not alone.  While their offering was adequate for the time, it failed to gain the traction it needed to survive and thrive in a market dominated by a competitor that rhymes with "blonde batta." Over the years, support was quietly abandoned by Cobb and the fleeting moment in time where a few forum members' signature "mod lists" included those four letters slowly disappeared into the archives and forgotten.

Years later, we now exist in a strange alternate reality where some Honda Civics are turbocharged, tout the legendary red H emblem in the U.S. market, and have European ECUs.  Given the popularity of the FK8 Civic Type R, it's no surprise that Cobb wanted to jump back in for a swim.  So, what's it like? 

Join me, if you will, as I give you a quick-and-dirty rundown of the new kid on the block's highs and not-so-highs as of this writing (first week of January, 2024).

At $725 retail, the AccessPort (Cobb AP3-HON-001) comes in between the two other popular options on the market (KTuner and Hondata) in terms of hardware cost.  One of the big advantages Cobb has is that everything necessary to "unlock" or "jAiLbReAk" the Bosch MED 17.9.3 ECU at no additional cost to the consumer, which is something that has been traditionally been an extra $250 (or more, if you have a '20-'21 model and have to use Hondata's extra CAN gateway bypass module for their "instant jailbreak") expense on top of the flash hardware for this vehicle.  Everything needed to prepare the ECU for flashing is included with every FK8-specific AccessPort.  The unlocking process with the unit is quick and easy, and you can honestly unlock and flash a pre-loaded calibration in just a few minutes from the time you unpack the thing.  Pro, for sure.

***I'd like to preface this next part with a sincere warning that it is my opinion and only a reflection of this early release status.  My communications with Cobb over the last couple weeks have been enlightening, and their willingness to improve support for this vehicle is strong.***

The Software:
The AccessTuner software is uh... Kind of like using a universal editor.  If you're used to tuning with Hondata or KTuner's software, be prepared for a bit of a shock here.  The look and feel is basic, sterile, rigid.   There's a fixed menu tree on the left of the screen for map navigation (which is fine,  KTuner is like this as well), but there's a lack of freedom when it comes to the amount of things you can view at once and toggle between quickly.  Do you like 3D table graphs?  Good, because that's what you get if the table has an axis set that matches that; there's no option to view a 2D or 3D form of the same table.  You cannot move things to your liking visually.

There is one option to view live data from the ECU, and it's a big block of text gauges that you cannot arrange in a manner you'd like.  You cannot group these values visually close to one another.  Do you like the alphabet?  Great!  The gauges are arranged solely in A-Z order, next to each other.  What if you want to shove Engine Speed next to MAP next to AFR next to ECT next to Knock Retard?  Tough luck.  You cannot resize things you want to highlight as more important at a glance, you can't setup any "dial" gauges, you cannot setup any "bar" gauges, etc.  The "dashboard" viewing of live data (which has a numerical limit to the number of things you can view live, mind you) might be one of the worst parts of the software...

That is, until it comes time to view the datalog you just recorded.  Cobb's own "Data Log Viewer" is literally a spreadsheet of your recorded data.  There is no graphing within the software,  so that naturally means there is no tracing against the maps to see what cells may be referenced at any given time.  Perhaps I'm spoiled by years of software that allows for viewing of recorded information directly within the same program where the calibration is being edited, but man...  It makes life reaaaaaaally nice when you can scroll through a log, quickly see the area of a map that's being referenced, and make a change quickly.  To view your AccessTuner datalogs in a graph form, you must use a third party software, then flip-flop between said external program and the editor, which may not sound like a big deal, but it certainly adds time to the job.  This may not be a big deal to the casual user, but if you're doing this kind of thing for a living, time is money, and the more time spent clicking around windows is a bit tiresome. 

I will give AccessTuner incredibly high marks for it's GREAT "compare" feature that feels very familiar to the same kind of function in HP Tuners.  The "import tables" function is organized well, and allows for multiple table migration into a new file a breeze.  If you want to transfer a bunch of tables into a new ECU software ID number (between vehicle model years, for example), these functions are superb compared to some others. 

The number of channels you can select to record for a datalog is limited, but it logs them at a VERY fast rate.

For "Pro" tuners, there's the ability to lock calibrations to hardware serial numbers as well as keep important values hidden from the end user with lower permissions.  You can also lock to specific accounts, which is a nice feature to protect your work.

Actual tuning support for the FK8 platform:
Here's probably what everyone really wants to know...  What can you do with it, from the standpoint of "tuning"?

As of right now, there is absolutely no "custom code" features in place that don't exist natively in the stock ECU.  That means there is no FlexFuel sensor support, no ignition-based traction control, no in-use map switching.  At this point in time (again, I am writing this in early January 2024), Cobb's support is very similar to that of KTuner's support of the FK8 Civic Type R, or if you were to use something like WinOLS to tune one of these. 

The factory throttle-closing traction control is okay, but I know for a fact that a lot of users really like the fast-reacting ignition traction control that Hondata has offered for a while.

You can still tune for ethanol, of course, but it would involve having specific calibration files for specific blends (kind of an old-school way of doing things in 2024).

Oh, and there's no stupid "fuel pump activation code" needed here.  There's access to all fuel pump controls natively.  One of the best things about Cobb's offering is the fact that there's no nickel-and-dime paywall for important tables.  The ECU isn't some fucking clickbait New York Times article... you shouldn't have to pay a troll toll to see/edit something, Hondata.

Cobb's FK8 support does not allow for the disabling of certain DTC numbers.  Cobb's "Green Speed" philosophy is nice and compliant, so if you aren't exactly as "clean" as you should be, you might have some neat yellow illumination in your life if you choose to use the AccessPort.

OK, so how much power does it make, bro?
My test car was a 2019 Civic Type R, with the only modification being an aftermarket AWE exhaust.  Here in central Pennsylvania, we have 93oct (E10) gasoline, so all tests were performed on such.

The best stock ECU baseline run came in at 283hp / 302tq, a pretty average output for one of these cars on this machine.

Testing on Cobb's "Stage 0" map made a few more, at 288hp / 306tq, although when using the "compare" function, this matches the "stock" file, so the difference in power may have been the decent cooldown between the baseline tests,  time spent unlocking the ECU, configuring the AccessPort, and reflashing.

Cobb's "Stage 1" maps ended up real closely to one another.  The "91oct" map made 314hp / 363tq, and the "93oct" variant picked up a few to give us 318hp / 363tq.  Compared to the average results from the other popular "free" files from Hondata and KTuner, these were a little underwhelming, but they probably feel pretty great from the driver's seat with large midrange torque gains (common on these anyway).

Finally, it was time to see where we could go with it with some of the same-old-song-and-dance knowledge accumulated over the last couple years of experience in the platform.  Custom changes resulted in a pretty huge gain everywhere, resulting in a final figure of 350hp / 381tq.

TLDR?  I got you.

The Cobb AccessPort is a decent entry-level solution for the tuning FK8 at this time (and for the third time in this manifesto, I am writing this in early 2024, so don't quote this someday when some of this stuff probably changes).  At the price point, it's a great deal for the guy that has bolt ons and pump gas (free ECU unlocking, nice hardware with a display, etc).   Do I think it's a viable option for guys that need FlexFuel support, which is a HUGELY popular feature Hondata has had for years?  Not yet.  Cobb tells us that certain features are in the pipeline for the near future, though, and I'm inclined to believe them given the level of transparency they've extended to me recently.

With this being said, I'll be adding Cobb AccessTuner (Honda) services to the list of supported systems in the coming days for in-house, remote access, and e-calibration services.  We are an official "Pro tuner" with Cobb for this platform.

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The High Cost of Low Price

1/26/2021

 
In 2021, we're living "fake."

Our bodies are fake.  Our news media is fake.  Our food is fake.  Our politicians are fake (although that's nothing new).  Our money is fake.  It's no surprise that we now have fake "NGK" spark plugs marketed as the real thing offered at a significantly lower rate than normal suggested retail pricing. 

NGK is one of the largest, most recognizable spark plug manufacturers on the planet, and they are standard equipment on nearly every modern Honda/Acura product.   Spark plugs are in every gasoline-powered engine on the planet, meaning the market is huge; so huge that if counterfeiters were to snatch as little as 0.1% of NGK's yearly sales, they'd be looking at millions of dollars a year in revenue.

Now that you know the incentive for these guys, what can you do?  Learn to spot the fakes.  Let's touch on a few points.

  • "If the price is too good to be true..."
    Spark plugs for most newer cars are iridium, platinum, or ruthenium-tipped.  These plugs often come with retail pricing ranging from $15-50 per plug.  Most of the counterfeit variants of these plugs are usually listed for half (or even a quarter) of the retail pricing.  I've seen counterfeit NGK 95660 plugs (popular L15/K20C spark plug replacement part number) listed for $30 for an entire set of four on eBay and Amazon.  This is another example where the old adage of "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten" holds particularly true.

  • "All that glitters is not gold."
    One defining characteristic I've found in common on the fake plugs is the "luster" on the hex set is much more vibrant compared to the more "matte" appearance of the authentic NGK plugs.  (See photos below)

  • "If you're a grinder, you're not a welder."
    The weld on the ground strap to the plug base is very poor, and ground down inconsistently.  (See photos below)

  • Poor thread quality.
    The threads on the counterfeit plugs are very poor quality, with pits and burrs visible.

  • Crush washer integrity
    The single biggest give-away I've found regarding the fake NGK plugs is that the sealing crush washer literally falls right off the plug with little effort.  On the vast majority of authentic NGK plugs, the crush washer will not fall off the plug without prying it off forcefully.  (See photos below) 

What's the big deal, though?  There's plenty of "fake" products on the market that "work just as well" as their authentic counterparts, right?  Unfortunately, these don't, especially when we're talking about an engine that is driven hard... these counterfeit plugs fail pretty spectacularly.  Often, they lack the ability to properly dissipate heat into the cylinder head, leading to detonation in the cylinder, and/or cracking, and melting of the plug itself.  When these things happen, the spark plug is not the only casualty.  I've seen coilpacks roasted, pistons damaged, and cylinder head castings crack as a result of this.

So how do you avoid even getting yourself in this situation?  Source your plugs from an authorized retailer that purchases directly from NGK (like most big-name auto parts stores), and the likelihood of ending up with fake spark plugs gets much lower.   
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What to choose?

12/19/2020

 
You bought yourself a shiny new (or new-to-you) tenth generation Honda Civic or Accord, and you're looking to modify it. Great! What's the best bang for the buck modification you can do? Tuning, of course.

These cars are a ton more fun with a tune. That being said, you have options when it comes to reflashing the factory ECU. Over the course of the last couple years, I've had the opportunity to get very well-acquainted with these options. Let's get right to the pro's and con's of the popular reflash options.


Hondata FlashPro
Advantages:
  • A product from a company who has a long-standing name in the industry. Everyone has heard of Hondata.
  • Allows for actual tuning of the ECU's calibration, by giving access to a number of tables that control target lambda, boost pressure, ignition advance, various compensations, etc.
  • Features a large number of available basic calibrations that are easy for a beginner to upload in a few minutes.
  • Software allows for "live tuning" of various tables, allowing the tuner to make changes instantly without a lengthy full reflash.
  • Hondata's "ethanol WOT fuel compensation" table on FlexFuel cars allows for a varying lambda target with ethanol content.
  • The FlashPro Manager software loads fast, and has an appealing GUI. Navigation is intuitive.
  • FlashPro unit registration with Hondata's server is lightning-fast.
  • The "Mods" window makes for simple changes to basemaps for end-users.
  • For non-Si L15 Civics, Hondata allows for disabling of the artificial 'forced rise' in knock control value above 5,000rpm or so. This changes the knock control logic to behave more like the Civic Si (reactive mainly to actual knock sensor activity).
  • The Hondata Mobile app is available for both Android and iPhone users to monitor live data while the FlashPro is plugged into the DLC port.
  • Hondata's support of the FK8 model specifically adds extra features like FlexFuel input compensation, a revised ignition-based traction control strategy, per-cylinder logging on knock retard, a custom "fuel pump duty" value to easier spot fuel pressure drops, and the ability to control/utilize Hondata's proprietary "fuel system upgrade".

Disadvantages:
  • Hondata relies heavily on the factory limit logic. This causes throttle, ignition, and boost pressure oscillations that may cause discomfort during driving. Instead of targets, everything is a "limit."
  • The software doesn't allow the tuner to edit the main ignition table load index (what Hondata calls the "Knock Ignition Limit" table). What does this mean? Once you move enough air to reach the final load column (what they refer to as "240% Air Charge" on the L15 Civic, for example), the ECU retains the same ignition value regardless if you continue to move more air under differing conditions (like raising boost pressure, colder weather, etc). Riding the last column leaves no room for the ECU to interpret load and apply ignition properly for higher load.
  • Hondata retains the factory 18,000kpa fuel pressure targets on the L15 Civic models. Hondata likes to talk about "flow potential of the HPFP is much greater at lower pressure", which is partly true... Neglecting the fact that raising the target pressure makes the volume of fuel for any given injector duration greater (just like turning up the base fuel pressure on a port injected car makes the effective size of the injector larger). A direct injected engine only has a finite window of time to complete the firing of fuel into the cylinder during a combustion cycle (unlike a port injected car that can spray the injector at any point in the cycle, for as long as you really want). As engine speed rises, this span of time shortens. Once you exceed this usable window of time, you experience misfire. To combat the lack of available injection window, Hondata's default answer is to run leaner lambda targets in order to avoid running out of available injection window. This is fine within reason, of course, but you can only go so lean at high load before you start to melt things. When using Hondata with the factory fuel system, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage in terms of how much power you can make while maintaining reasonable lambda targets.
  • For PRL "big turbo" kit users that bought in before the electronic wastegate support was standard (or users that prefer to use external boost control, using the older pneumatic wastegate), Hondata offers ZERO means to disable wastegate/boost control related DTC's. If you remove the factory wastegate actuator in favor of a traditional pressure-activated internal or external gate, you will toss P2565 ("Turbocharger Boost Control Position Sensor Circuit High Input") to be exact. This will disable "Sport" mode, and will constantly illuminate a large number of other system errors the entire time the engine runs. For users with the newer kit with that retains the factory electronic wastegate actuator, Hondata offers no extra wastegate control logic changes to get the best response from your larger Garrett turbocharger.
  • 2020 Civic Si models do not log mass airflow sensor ("AFM" in FlashPro) frequency in the sensor data list.
  • Certain 10thGen Accords do not log fuel pressure correctly in the sensor data list.
  • The software does not allow for cylinder misfire counter monitoring, making it difficult to catch problems like failing injectors (a common L15 problem) before they lead to bigger problems.
  • FlashPro units are locked to certain model/VIN families. A Civic L15 unit cannot be used on an Accord, an FK8, etc. If you own a 10thGen Civic and trade it in on a new Accord, you must purchase new hardware to tune your new car.
  • For certain non-Si L15 models, Hondata's "Return to Stock" option does not return the ECU to the EXACT factory software number, which may raise concern if a Honda HDS tool is ever plugged in to verify the current software number.
  • Hondata's custom support for FK8 models makes logging all sensor data correctly when the ECU is on the factory calibration impossible.

Verdict?
  • Hondata's brand-recognition alone gets its foot in the door for many end-users and tuners alike, but the long list of drawbacks overshadows some of the really great highlights it has available.

KTuner
Advantages:
  • A product from a company with a long-standing history in the industry (KTuner is brought to you by the same company behind the "Neptune" OBD1 Honda tuning platform).
  • Allows for actual tuning of the ECU's calibration, by giving access to a number of tables that control target lambda, boost pressure, ignition advance, various compensations, etc.
  • Features a large number of available basic calibrations that are easy for a beginner to upload in a few minutes.
  • KTuner by default raises the target fuel pressure on L15 Civic models to 21,000kpa (a 16% change), making the effective size of the injectors larger.
  • Target-based, not limit-reliant. Most limits the ECU would oscillate off of are lifted.
  • Two different devices available to interface with the vehicle, one of which has a dedicated touchscreen display to view live data, reflash, record data, etc without the use of a laptop, or mobile app (KTuner Flash V2).
  • KTuner Flash units can be unlocked from a vehicle and be used on a new vehicle of a different model/VIN family. If the car is listed as supported by the unit, it can be used. No need to purchase new hardware for a new vehicle model.
  • Retail pricing for both the Flash v1.2 and Flash V2 models are lower than Hondata FlashPro.
  • Various enhancements for throttle response, turbocharger response, wastegate actuator control logic and more are available to the end user via easy drop-down menus.
  • For most Civic models, "On the Fly Map Switching" allows for multiple boost level targets available from the steering wheel's controls without having to reflash the ECU.
  • The ECU's misfire counter is visible in the sensor data list, useful for diagnosing things like failing injectors before they lead to larger mechanical damage.
  • The KTuner "Return to Factory" option restores the ECU to the exact original software number present at the time of initial setup.

Disadvantages:
  • The software is fairly resource-intensive, and slower to open initially.
  • The software's GUI is a bit more rigid in terms of navigation and window sizing.
  • Initial registration of new KTuner units with the server can be difficult at times, especially if a less-than-ideal internet connection is present.
  • No live tuning. All changes require a full reflash of the ECU, which means a dyno tuning session tends to take a bit longer.
  • KTuner lacks custom features for the FK8 that Hondata has (FlexFuel, ignition-based traction control strategy, per-cylinder knock retard logging).

Verdict?
  • While the "KTuner" brand name isn't as recognized, the system offers a much more complete tuning solution for the latest generation of Honda's using the Keihin ECU's. The background changes implemented way before any end user or tuner starts making adjustments alone sets the system apart from the competition.

Once more, this post is the culmination of experience amassed from the literal thousands of 10th Gen Civic and Accords I've had a hand in tuning (custom tunes, off the shelf tunes, and several starting calibrations I've aided in developing for numerous companies that focus on these vehicles), and there's nothing I'd like more than to see the "disadvantages" for all mentioned to be addressed by their respective manufacturers. I tune Hondata and KTuner products both every single day, and want people to make informed decisions based on facts, not just based on bandwagon tactics or social media "influencers".

Thank you.
- Derek
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